THAT HAS BEEN BUILT IN THIS COUNTRY
BECAUSE THESE STUPID LEADERS DON'T DESERVE FOLLOWERS AND STUPID FOLLOWERS DON'T DESERVE LEADERS.
BLOODY FOOLS!!!
One statue desecrated - 2 people dead and a few million unnecessarily troubled.
Call it an unscheduled Diwali by virtue of burning trains and buses.
BLOODY STATUE :-)
Thursday, November 30, 2006
TCP & L1 say: DESTROY EVERY STATUE
Thursday, November 30, 2006
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1st
what was that about? did I miss something in the news? I probably did.. i check TCP before I read the headlines.
P.S IM.. please notice I am NOT gloating and rubbing your face in the fact that u r not 1st.
2nd
The second was claimed by me for cloudy as a belated happy birthday gift.
Third!.
The second joke was in bad taste.
I promptly retract the cloudy 2nd thing with apologies to everyone especially abhijit. I thought TCP was a place to have some harmless fun once in a while..my mistake. No more comments from me. bye all.
What what waht??? What's happenning? *head spins*
Like RS, I get my news on TCP first! Completely agree with you guys, L1 and TCP, and also G who Bs from the last post.
RS, please please don't retract, ok? Please can I have my belated b'day gift? Abhijit, don't be a party-pooper!
CLAIMING MY B'DAY GIFT!!!!!!
I wonder though, if we can SERIOUSLY consider destroying EVERY statue. You guys have hit upon something here. It could be the solution to all problems.
@RS: Wait...will get back to you soon!
@abhijit: NO, I hope TCP was not joking cause I agree with him. If you want anything, you can do one thing like that! Look around...just look around and you will see same thing happening! Pope quotes somebody from history, Muslims take one line and run...and TROUBLE STARTS!
Incident with regards to Status is reported...DALITS start burning stuff...and TROUBLE STARTS!
WHY DON'T PEOPLE USE THEIR BRAIN! Why can't they use a tool which God has given us called Brain and have conversation to resolve issues rather than burning Train...killing...murdering people! This is not a sign of healthy society but a savage society who are following Stupid Leaders or may be what TCP said, Stupid people!
Especially in our home country where people are busy among themselves diving based on caste, creed, color and sex! We do like to call ourselves Democratic country but we are not! We are not free to fly our flag in our own FREE COUNTRY and we are not free to criticize our Leaders or say something against which might go against general consensus! But Guess what - WE ARE A FREE DEMOCTATIC COUNTRY!
Ya Right!!!!!!!
@!TCP: I am glad that you wrote on your blog the way you feel about it.
me 4th....not bad..not bad....
aah..I was gonna post the same lines that you did...
Just break all the statues and ask all the concerned followers to riot for once and for all..
Then we can get back to living for which we were exactly here...
Cheers,
HP
Today morning i saw the Deccan queen burning in Times of India. My first reaction was the people who did and instigated to do that should have been facing a Firing Squad, so that it doesn't happen again. Morons, it only proves there is a lot unemployment in India. We should not have built the statues in the first place. Anyways can't do much now but there is one solution to if the military intervene's and cracks its whip on couple of those protester's then it won't happen a second time. These politicians are finding this a good way to incite riots now that their Caste and Religion cards are slowly fizzling out. The latest to create any hungama seems to the statue thingy. God knows when this is gonna change, hmmmmmmm is this why gandhiji and all other's fought for freedom and got it from british. It's sad really sad :(.
Me 5th!!!
Etta ki??? Passions running high on TCP today!
RS: By now, you must have realized that Abhijeet meant TCP's joke, and NOT your claiming 2nd position! So come back pls :-)
Guys this is a serious matter, so it's not surprising that such strong words are being used. I have realized over the last few months that we have been living under a mistaken belief! You know what that belief is??? That we are a civilized society. We most definitely are not! Till now, it was just the Shiv Sena goons holding Bombay to ransom, last two days- Dalit groups going berserk. I really can't see any reason for such rampaging mobs(in any region of the world, belonging to ANY community) being allowed to burn MY car or house or a train bought with the money that I pay as tax! And what does the Govt do? We all know the answer to that!
So let us stop gloating over our 5000 year-old civilization, we are still beasts of the worst kind, and let us never forget that!
india is becoming an interesting country by the day:
a) the ambedkar statue issue is not a good one. violence of any sort does not lead to any solution...and about TCP's joke being in bad taste, i guess the day that we start censuring jokes, we will be no better than some conservative societies that we keep bitching about. freedom of expression is important...so, i guess that allows us tolerance for both TCP's joke and abhijit's comment :-)
b)sanjay dutt...this is crazy...the entire media seems to be supporting a person who purchased and stored arms and ammunition for those people who murdered dozens of people during the mumbai blasts. why doesn't the media take some time to sympathise and support the people who died during this sad incident.
c) the bedlam in the calcutta legislative session...these are the people we elect...they go about rioting in the most august of chambers and then actually go about justifying their crime...what a sad state of affairs....
btw...indianmalang, courtesy mr. jindal and his case in the supreme court, we are now free to fly our national flag outside our homes (or inside) :-)
thanks mr. manithiram...i guess after almost 50 plus years of independence...it took a Supreme Court ruling to allow citizen to have the right to fly our flags in our home - Inside as well as outside! WOW what a Democracy!
@Vikramjb, Obi-Wan, hp, Manthiram........I am glad to read your comments. After posting my comments, I was sure that I am going to get beaten by words of course, for posting what I wrote! I am glad that their is TCP, who thinks and writes the way he do! I am glad that there are people like you all who also think what you guys have posted. I guess, Obi-wan put it best we are still beasts! I was quite shocked to see the buring of the train in news item! Only in India where a tiny thing can be used to incite violence! I guess, people in India have lots and lots of FREE time!
More later.....
woah! *runs off to read news*
Ok...so that's what happened. Why do we need outside terrorists when our own people adopt these methods so effectively? I agree entirely with TCP's heading - "destroy every statue"...statues are no way of keeping either a person's ideals or his/her memories alive. People will forget, no matter what, and will have to deal with their own karma rather than living by what someone else prescribes. By building statues all we do is give people either a false sense of glory or a false sense of guilt -- it's false either way. And that is what becomes so hard to deal with when statues are "desecrated"...people think they ought to do something but don't know what, why or how. So what do they do? Riot!
Somebody drew a cartoon, everybody riot! Somebody quoted ancient history, kill, kill! Effigies are burnt regularly in protests. Why doesn't anyone riot then? Raavana burns every year. Why has Sri Lanka not declared war on us?
I am sorry, TCP, that your beloved city has had to see such meaningless violence. I also think that it's a reflection of the general mood in the world today, of powerlessness and despair.
Well said! I really was never so troubled in my life :(
@Obi: I was gonna say the same thing about tax payer's money! Who's gonna pay for those perfectly good buses and trains??? I'm so fed up! One of my friends said we should just build a Great Wall of India around our entire country so that none of us maniacs ever get out to infect the rest of the world with our sheer insanity, bloody-mindedness, joblessness, anarchy and complete stupidity.
And me 6th
@Abhijit: I'm sorry but I agree with the rest of them, the joke's not in bad taste, our country is.
I just realised! I guess my reaction to something at work kind of spilled over into TCP. I tend to open the blog on the rare occassions that I lose my calm.
And I agree, it is sad. We take one step forward and five back. And Manthiram..the Sanjay Dutt issue bothers me too. its nice to see such articulate comments here; its a pity the people who demolished those trains and buses dont feel the same way.
Well said people! You guys are the silver lining...
Oh, and I just realised too!!! But Abhijit, my comment stands!
Nice to see that someone has raised the issue.
But destroying the statue is not the solution.
Stop riot from happening. Riot happen's everywhere around the globe
Educate these so call DALITS that when they harm national property INDIA STEP TOWARD’S the DARK AGE.
WE had riot in India earlier also (Hindu-Muslim) and they were not because of Statue. It's the Neta's who are getting these damn things done.
Did we ever have riots because someone desecrated Mahatma Gandhi's Statue. No one will ever.
These guys will find some other excuse for riot.
-Saket
hey guys .. i am a newbie here but can i vie for the positions also ... if so its last this time ... also great to discover this site two months back ... i have three bounded books of these comics at home celloteped and all and reading them here makes me so nostalgic. Am still in college so they are my dads and moms collection.. Its also gr8 that we dont have to use raidshare on this site cause i use airtel GPRS(no EDGE) so its pretty useless...
keep up the excellent work ...
Verb 1. desecrate - violate the sacred character of a place or language; "desecrate a cemetary"; "violate the sanctity of the church"; "profane the name of God"
Yeh harami Ambedkar kay statues holy kab sey ban gaye ki inko koi thodey tho woh desecration kehlayein?
Among our various problems is that we have raised worthless individuals to the status of a God.
As far as I can see Ambedkar's most famous contribution is to the creation of this monster called reservation.
@saket, Gandhi is also another weak creature who is being worshipped blindly and his faults overlooked.
In my opinion, Lord Krishna comes to mind when I search for an ideal to emulate.
@saket How can you blame the netas alone? If people were not willing to be goaded into rioting, koi dangey nahin hothey.
There is more to these riots than meets the eye.
Maharashtra is one of the most progressive states in India, and such riots are not the norm here - especially for something (inane, as far as i am concerned) that happens in a far off place.
No, these riots were instigated due to political pressure. Logically, the prime target is the Home Minister for Mahrashtra - R R Patil.
I'm very late. But still 7th!
@Obi/Revealed: That's the first thing that came to my mind too after seeing the papers - my hard earned money.. going up in flames..!
@TCP: I think some people might be offended by your post, but never mind. Time we called stupidity stupidity.
G who B's: My thoughts exactly! Abt Gandhi and Ambedkar. I'm not too sure Lord Krishna though :-)
@sunshine Lord Krishna because he exhorted Arjun to fight against injustice, to do what is right without being led astray by considerations of gain or loss, to become a nishphal karmayogi...
Looked at your profile, am impressed you have Gattaca there, one of my all-time favorites that. Truly an inspiring story, wasn't familiar with most other movies you have listed there though.
Hey i posted a comment too u know so i would appreciate a reply .... by the way read the readers letters in the monday pune edition if u can really really good and moving abt the deccan Q
MY TIMES, MY VOICE
Burning Train Mail
My dear Indians,
Thank you for burning my seven bogies. I had become a little too old and the government was not taking up the issue of upgrading and refurbishing me. But permit me to ask: why only seven? Why not all? I cannot bear to see the rest of my bogies standing proud and upright in defence of all those stoneheaded people crying non-violence.
You have to change with the times, and that is why I feel you should have continued to burn, loot and vandalise. So what if Dr B.R. Ambedkar said we will never use violence and commit any carnal sins? So what if he said that we will never go against the principles of Gautam Buddha? So what if he said that we will follow the noble eightfold path of compassion and kindness? All that is not applicable today, my good friends, and I am ready to forget all my memories with the great man.
It was me who ferried Dr Ambedkar from Pune to Mumbai in 1913 to see him off to the University of Columbia in the US, where he completed his M.A. in economics and sociology in just two years and a Ph.D. in another year, by studying 18 hours a day! It was also by the Deccan Queen that he went to Ahmedabad in 1932 to sign the Poona Pact with Gandhiji, stating that no separate electorates will be given to the “untouchables”. I also remember him being excited during his travel to Mumbai in November 1948 when he said he was to present the draft constitution. “I appeal to all Indians to be a nation by discarding castes, which have brought separation in social life and created jealousy and hatred,” he said.
But that was so long back. I am ready to sacrifice the rest of my bogies to these times, along with many of my brethren who have sacrificed scooters, cars and buses in these two days.
Yours truly,
Deccan Queen (only half now)
— Sagar Dhupkar, Pune
@GwhoB: Well said. I didn't want to bring it up cos if people think Ambedkar is holy well I can't see anything I say making a difference to them. Besides each to his own and all that. And I think Krishna rocks too. Finally a spineful (yeah it IS, now!) God. Someone who got up and did stuff and had a pretty neat sense of humor as well.
i blame the whole system we have right now. if people get justice and security no body will like to come on the road and face the wrath of police. if the same police act favourlessly why people will take pain and come on the road. we have lost the faith in our judiciary system and police. every body complaining about the incident. any one for condemning the evil act of distroying the statue. abmedkar may not mean anything to you but he does to some people. we indians are emotional. if we attach with some personality then we take it by heart. for example, if i abuse Rama and Krishna and Siva then how many people will be able to tolerate it? after all they are also a mythical heros far from reality. at least this ambedkar has stood against the discrimination in the recent time and told the discriminated people that they too have got right to live. i dont support idol worshiping and coming on the road for their support but we must stop the other side to hurt their feelings. if and all we have something in our mind logical and if we think that certain personality doesnt deserve respect then come on the stage. why attacking and then hiding like a rat? those who create such incident are more responsible for this and the police who allow such incidents to happen are mainly responsible. if we get the confidence in law and order then definetely people instead of coming in the road will take the way to court.
if you behave like rowdy then get ready to face rowdism.
The blaming game can go on forever. It is upto the individual involved to react in a way that befits him. It is sad that a statue of a person, long dead, who probably wanted the best for everyone is the cause of death of some people. Politicians, and their followers use situations like this to ignite hatred and emotions in people. A normal person only wants to go about his life in a peaceful and incident free way. I think this is a classic case of politicians using public opinion to further their own end.
@ TCP: I agree with your view of destroying all status. I feel it is must.
However I have strong objections on the QnA you had. Are we sure it was only the dalits there. We all agree that it is Mob which does not have any religion, and politicians behind the mob then why blame any caste/religion.
Is it not like blamming your neighbour hood muslim friend for WTO bombing.
@The Ghost Who Browses:
Ambedkar never supported Reservation. He agreed only for 5 years of reservation. It is our politicians who are enjoying it. We do not have right to blame anyone when we do not know the truth.
Be +ve and look at both side of the coin.
I oppose the act of rioting but do not favour blaming any cast/religion.
Ambedkar and Ghandhiji only want equality in society they never supported reservations and were very strong leaders of our country who had the capacity to motivate and mobilise the masses against unjustice.
They live at the time when even speaking lie is considered as sin and not like netas of today.
I agree with atma and mwresearcher that we should not blame anyone without knowing the full truth.
At last some sane comments to the whole issue. It is really terrible that things have come to such a pass but the only way for things to change is to challenge the system. Ignore politicians at your own risk. They have and they will continue to screw up our lives if given a free hand. We have to give it back to the politicians exactly where it hurts. Relations with Pakistan have improved so something has to be done to revive the passion of the common miserable people. Casteism is going to be a big issue in the coming future.
Remember rathyatra and how BJP came to power - you can see that this is also a similar political ploy.
There are no leaders like Ambedkar & Gandhi anymore in the world let alone India. They had steel in them & the courage to stand for their convictions. How many of us have that within us - do you think politicians are aliens they come from the society that we belong?
Quote from TCP "flexibility is not an excuse for cowardice"
Lot of things to change about India but still a lot to look forward to...
The important thing is to do what is right and not let a minority tarnish the nation's prestige.
Evil happens when good people do not do anything.
Thanks TCP for raising the debate and also to all contributors for sharing their thoughts ..Vande Mataram.
atma: niiiiiiice. very grown up and sensible. agree with you.
G w Bs: Gattaca isn't a popular movie; I'm surprised it's one of your favorite movies too! :-)
I did not know anything about caste and SC/ST, leave alone any discrimination, until I was sitting for my medical and engineering exams. It was then that I saw real discrimination and unknowingly I became a part of the group that discriminated. It is probably easy to discriminate when you know that the other person probably your own classmate, who has had the best of education and life, is there not on merit but on caste. I support reservation, but it should be on the basis of economic status and not on caste. However, in a country where corruption has pervaded all sections of the society it is not easy to set up a fair system for it.
Why do the ministers who supported reservation go to US and get their surgeries done? I havent had heard of even one minister who would go to a doctor belonging to the reserved category.
Shame on the politicians!!!
Good point mwresearcher! This is an age long question!!!
It tells you very well who is discriminating who!!
Haathi kay Daat dikhnay kay aur...khanay kay aur!!!
I like Gattaca too. and the shawshank redemption. Before sunset / sunrise was the ethan hawke and french girl movie wasnt it? liked it..
Here is a view point which i found in Times of India.
Found it interesting enough to post it over here! Our Leaders and Our Followers! WOW!
This is by a person who calls himself a global citizen who would loves to hear opinions and views on various topics, from other citizens of this global village that our world has become.Too many of us shy away from creating an atmosphere for and participating in a healthy debate on national and international topics.Democarcy is not about what the politicians say.It is about what the citizens have to ......
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HERE IS WHAT HE HAS TO SAY
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Long Haul for Munnabhais Gandhigiri
The movie came and started a whole new lexicon…………..Gandhigiri. Many of us got inspired, even though briefly. All of us had a good laugh. The children got to learn a bit more about the Mahatma and the TV channels had a feel good story to give amidst their daily bleak chronicle of sad events. There were quiz shows and for sometime every politician paid lip service to Mahatma Gandhi with renewed vigor.
That was then. Fast forward a few months ahead. 2006 is coming to an end and we are ending it on a note of economic exuberance but a moral low.
Let me run by you a brief list of what has been happening since Lage Raho Munnabhai’s release.A Dalit family has been brutally murdered in Khairalnji in Maharashtra. A cover up of sorts also had been achieved but active protests by the Dalits have now ended in a CBI inquiry being ordered. The Dalits too had to burn a few trains, tear down some infrastructure, get one of them killed in the protests and resort to umpteen other acts of violence before the government in the land of non violence took note.
A girl in Sasaram, Bihar got married to a boy of her choice and with her parent’s consent but this upset the locality residents (read a few hoodlum youth) and they tied down the girl’s parents, poured petrol on them and the house and set it on fire leaving five young children orphans in the process.
A “swami” ran an ashram for abandoned children, mainly girls, in Ghaziabad and was found to be indulging in physical and sexual violence against these girls.Many of the young girls all under 15 gave accounts to police and welfare organizations of the things done to them by the ‘swami ji”.
Mayawati, that self -anointed champion of dalits was implicated in the Taj corridor case and the courts refused to dismiss the case as asked for by the CBI. Lo, magically, overnight a statue of Dr. Ambedkar is desecrated and a youth forced to give a confession ( which he later retracted). Guess what happens next! Rioting in Kanpur erupts but is really only half hearted. The real target of course is that sensitive area in Maharashtra where all the train and bus burnings took place. One death and many crores worth of damage later the administration is able to bring things under control but not before Mayawati’s fan following has doubled as she voices concern in parliament and assembly about the atrocities against the dalits. Everyone forgets to talk to her about the Taj Corridor case!!! Violence has served one more purpose.
Lets not forget Mamta Banerjee and her championing of the farmer’s cause in Bengal. The farmer’s fertile land had been acquired for setting up Tata Motors new plant. The farmers seemed happy with the compensation but Mamta was not. Her followers storm and damage the assembly and there is violence everywhere. Then Mamta decides to go on a hunger strike and before starting her noble mission she pays respect at the Mahatma’s statue. As she bows to the worldwide symbol of non violence her followers storm a Tata show room and cause damage. Violence again.
I could go on and on with the list but I need not. You readers, I am sure, have your own list of the mayhem that unfolds in our nation every day. The question is, what has gone wrong?
When I lived overseas, I was pleasantly surprised when my daughter’s school teacher told her that Mahatma Gandhi was her favorite inspirational leader. It was so heartening to that our Bapu had inspired and continues to inspire people worldwide. But back home things seem different. Led from the forefront by our politicians, our society seems to be spiraling down the vortex of violence at every level……domestic, political and social.
Why is it that a politician’s son has to murder a young man simply because the young man was in a relationship with his sister? Do we know of no other method to air our grievances? Why are girls to be killed for dowry, for marrying outside their castes and communities? Why must ordinary people have to burn down half a town before their valid grievances are heard? Why do politician’s resort to instigating their followers to violence to attain national attention and a mass following?
I don’t have any answers but I do feel that Gandhigiri is proving to be a fad. It seems its message has been forgotten already. The title of the movie is turning out to be more apt than even its maker would have thought….Lage Raho Munnabhai…it seems like a very long haul before the Mahatma’s teachings of ahimsa really sink into his own countrymen.
@RS: :D Yes, that's the Ethan Hawk and the French girl movie. I think I was wrong abt Gattaca being a not-so-well-known movie..
50th!!
IM: that was a very sad but truthful articel. Thanks for posting it. I visited a very good friend recently who mentioned that an American colleague told her she must be proud to be from the country of Mahatma Gandhi. Her reaction was one of anger, she said what do you mean and not everyone thinks hes great and a lot of people blame him for the political unrest during independence.
Sadly a lot of Indians feel that way.No Human being is perfect and some decisions influenced by Gandhi ji may have been wrong, but to completely deny his greatness and role in India's independence is just not right. Its probably "in" and "cool" to have radical, anti-Gandhi opinions.
Just so you know, wherever you are Bapu, I for one will never be in and cool.
Dear RS I agree! No one can deny what Bapu did for his nation! No body can deny what other freedom fighters did for their country. There were Chandrashekhar Azad kind of people and then there were Bapu and his followers. But today it is more important to not only read about their principles in books/magazine/comics/movies but to follow it. Today I don't think Politicians know about self sacrifice kind of concepts. All they know is how to make money, fill up their bank accounts and fool people. Also it is true, like what TCP said, People get what they deserve. Indian themselves are to be blamed for getting corrupt politicians!!!!
So when Chota Shakeel is tired of running around from cops, he decides to go into Politics. When Mamta Banerjee's and Mayawatis of today don't get what they want, they play race card...they play violence card....they play all those dirty games which politicians are famous for all around!!!
WoW. I feel soooooo sorry for my country to have such leaders! It is a shame that our countrymen elects them election after election after election........
Maybe because we are in such a huge number we have stopped respecting life in general! That is how i feel. In India, the land of Mahatmas....we no longer respect an individual...a life....! That is sad!
Gandhi was never weak.
We can’t judge him or for the matter anyone from the past. Or can we?
In today’s world we are not able to judge our present actions/decisions.
Anyway the issue here is how to stop riots happening.
Question: How the people should respond to such issues.
We have so many things that are very much eligible for the riot to happen. Why are not people concerned about those things? We have problems like Water, Electricity, Education, Job, Corruption, Public service is poor shape.
May be education, job and awareness of our fundamental rights are the answer.
Well said Mr. saket!
Unfortunately, much of time, money, thought and effort is being spent on so many useless and sometimes potentially destructive and dangerous things. However, most of the country does not have access to food, water, electricity, etc, the essentials of life. Every year we have new riots which tend to make us forget the corruption, politics and dirty games of our leaders. The communal riots mar our image worldwide.So much for our claim of economic superpower status.
I didn't like Gattaca. Too Doomsdayish I thought! N Before Sunrise was also not so good. The Winona/Ehtan one was better I thought though not by much. What was that movie? But liked Shawshank.
btw...when is the next comic being released? :-)
@revealed: You are mistaken, the movie was not doomsdayish at all. It is in my opinion, a story of a man's indomitable spirit to achieve his goal.
It does have a lot of dark and sombre shades though, but then I have a taste for such moods. I thought the movie was a visual treat too.
One other movie comes to mind, Contact. Awesome that too, except for the ending which was a bit too strange for my taste.
@manthiram: No more comics!! Only socially relevant topics will be discussed on this blog henceforth.
Speaking of social issues, one of my favorite blogs, yes, even more so than TCP, is jihadwatch.
This article is more India related for those not particularly interested in international affairs.
@indianmalang and all ya Gandhi lovers: Ahimsa is not the answer to every situation, in fact it is not the answer for most situations.
Goodness is the excuse the mind uses to justify its inaction when the mind is weak, lazy and fearful to act in the cause of justice.
Read this and this .
From one of the links above "as a political tactic pacifism of this kind is only effective against those whose coercion and violence stay within certain moral limits - for whatever reason: whether because they themselves respect those limits or because they have to face, and are restrained by, a public which respects them. Against political rulers, or organizations, or movements, that are willing to set aside all limits such pacifism is an invitation to murder."
Just because Gandhi was Indian, perhaps the most famous Indian in recent history, doesn't mean we turn a blind eye to the truth.
One more very well written piece on Gandhi that you would NEVER find in your history books.
Will you still worship this sorry excuse for a human being?
Long write-up
From the link, "During his prayer meeting on 1 May 1947, he prepared the Hindus and Sikhs for the anticipated massacres of their kind in the upcoming state of Pakistan with these words: "I would tell the Hindus to face death cheerfully if the Muslims are out to kill them. I would be a real sinner if after being stabbed I wished in my last moment that my son should seek revenge. I must die without rancour. You may turn round and ask whether all Hindus and all Sikhs should die. Yes, I would say. Such martyrdom will not be in vain." (Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi, vol.LXXXVII, p.394-5) It is left unexplained what purpose would be served by this senseless and avoidable surrender to murder."
@rs: Someone having an opinion different from yours doesn't mean that the person has that opinion because he is trying to be "in" and "cool". If anything, the movie Munnabhai has made Gandhigiri "in" and "cool".
Really the stupidest comment I have seen on this page.
@The Ghost Who Browses: Though in the past I did had some tough exchange with some bloggers, I guess, it is time to have one more. WITH YOU! Did you even read the whole comments of all the people? They were expressing their views and I for one, DO NOT SEE a Ghandhi lover in any one of them or a pujari of ahimsa! Maybe your name says it all: "The Ghost Who Browses". You browse, and hence DO NOT PAY ATTENTION.
I did not like what couple of people said but to call people 'Stupid', now that is stretch..and that is why your comment is 'THE STUPIDIST'. I guess people like you go off their rockets and burn trains since their beloved leaders are shouting in the Parliament.
Uptil now, i thought I am the stupid one who jumps to conclusion! What a relief to find someone who beats me in this race. Please visit the site again and drop few lines of your Wisdom! If nothing else, we can have a good laugh!
@RS: Dear RS...say what you want even though I or someone may or may not like it. You bet I will express my opinion on it but one thing for sure, this is a COMIC form where people come to have fun! AND THAT WILL STAY TILL TCP DECIDES OTHERWISE.
This blog showed that there are people who do care and have brains and who do express their opinion other than 'BROWSING'!!!
@Manithram: Sorry man, no one will give you the 100 million dollar date as to when the next comic is going to be published. That is the whole point of claiming positions!
@TCP:: Abay Bathay bathay mazay lay rahay ho corner may!!!
And with regards to The Ghost Who Browses's comment that he likes the jihadwatch webside more than TCP...Dear The Ghost Who Ghost Who browse ---Please..please...Please go and read that website..live in that website..eat that website...be one with the website. Do not grace TCP site with your presence. We will definitely not miss you..Will definitely not miss your stupid comments cause I am here to provide and entertain my fellow TCP readers. We will..or should I say.. I will at least not shred half a tear at your exit!!! We are here to have fun...enjoy Indrajaal's magic..and may at times share a point of view or 2.
Bye..Bye..Alvida.. ALVIDA...
I am agree with Indianmalang.
@gwb: you have different opinion but you just try to understand that we indians respect non-voilent monks such as Buddha, Swami Vivekanand etc. and also the great wariors such as Bhishma, Arjun etc.
These both type of persons are truly belongs to "Great race of heroes of India".
Just to tell you that Gandhiji belongs to first class and it does not mean he was coward or insane.
And also one thing to add that a person who contributes to Indian Freedom struggle whether violent or non violent way he chose is deserved to be respected by every Indian as it required great sacrifice.
And lastly I just want to add one quote of Ghandhiji for you:
"I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honour than that she should in a cowardly manner become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonor."
Hmmm.... in this profound discussion of Socially Relevant Topics, we have committed a major Social Gaffe.
May I be the first to welcome Newbie MG (not Mahatma Gandhi, by any chance?) to TCP!
A big welcome to you dear pal, and ...ahem... your famed Indrajal Collection. Um... where exactly is it located? (exact geographical co-ordinated will be much appreciated)
@gwb: You are nobody to tell what will be discussed in this blog. FO. TCP Rules.
@everyone: I think it's time to end this discussion and demand TCP to post a new comic. Too much of negativity. I understand social issues are important and should be discussed - but let's give it a break. I am sure the mob-mentality in India would sooner, rather than later, come up with a more violent, grotesque and senseless incident which will give us a chance to rake up an issue like this again. Until then, lets read comics!
@TCP: Please, please, please post a comic.
psst.. if you are all done rubbing mud on people that built the nation, i'd be real glad if we could go back to the comics.
Gosh how easy it is to criticize people without fully understanding why/how/what they went through.
IMHO I was born in a free country and its because of that set of people who did something other than complain.
JAI HIND
Aap logon ka pyaar dekh kar mera dil bhar aaya.
While it is very entertaining to see the brouhaha, I certainly didn't expect to have ruffled so many feathers.
@indianmalang: Make up your mind, you ask me in one post to visit the site and provide a few comments for your entertainment and in the other you bid me goodbye.
I do not at all support the burning of trains and other such immoral violent activities. I did realise also that my taking off on Gandhi was a tangent not directly related to the discussion, but I couldn't resist that.
I didn't call rs stupid by the way, just his comment.
@motku: Abbey TCP ke chamchey... ahh never mind :) I was joking when I said no more comics on this site, thought everyone would surely realise that.
@TCP and L1: I am sure you, at least are with me in this stand.
As a final word, I certainly did not intend to offend anyone with my words, so if anyone is offended, my apologies to them.
yaaakroppo? I have seen newspapers featuring comic strips - This is the first time I see a comic featuring a news paper strip.. Lets get back to business boys and girls!
@tintin: LOL
@Everyone,
Just wondering how long will it take TCP to post another comic...
Once we reach 100 comments???...whatever happened to the comic posting schedule...hmmm
Ghost who browses: I choose not to acknowledge any rude comments directed towards me. I find mature, lucid criticism more edifying.
If you find the need to comment on me in future I suggest you use the correct pronoun-its a 'she' not a 'he'.
IM: Thanks.
@rs: This is really getting tiresome. I suggest you reread my posts and others. You will find that I have not been rude to anyone on this board. (Except Ambedkar and Gandhi, of course)
On the contrary, some of you seem to have chosen to make personal attacks on me.
I hope you will take note that I have chosen not to answer these attacks with some of my own.
For that matter, I will suggest, very politely mind you, that you get off your high horse and read your own comment, you will laugh out loud. "mature, lucid criticism more edifying" indeed.
Tumlog bhi na, hadh karthey ho LOL
@rs: Congrats :)
@cloudy: :)
@abhijit: I agree. It is in bad taste. But you know me better than that so I hope I get the benefit of doubt :-)
@rs: hey...wha...
@cloudy: *head spins* :) I am quite serious about the statue thing because it is symbolic...and statues are symbolic too..so LOHA LOHE KO KAAT-TA HAI ;-)
@indianmalang: Happy that you agree with me but that was a bad comment from me and Abhijit is right in pointing that out. I also wonder why people have become so intolerant...and why a statue is not treated like one. We are also a society of contradictions...we are not organized..there is so much anarchy..but that is what one day will save us...because it is this anarchy that prevents one view - right and wrong - to dominate what we do..think
@hp: Statues are irritating..seriously..statues..road names...I hope we find it in ourselves to dispose off these statues..or .. bessssssssst idea....make statues from clay..like Ganpati ka moorti...next monsoon..it goes away..what say..so each leader/statue has a limited shelf life ;-)
@vikramjb: Military? No. No way. Never. But yes..someone needs to crack the whip and maybe it could be people like us who go out to work during the next bandh and DEMAND that the law enforcement agencies protect our right to work? It will have to be a collective effort though...or maybe we just turn up at work the next day with a black band around our arm the next day...it is important to display our outrage..not just in a blog but in real life too
@obi wan: We are beasts I agree..and talking about our civilization and culture - however great - is like an ad for hair oil or shampoo
@manthiram: we were interesting..now we are becoming a depressing country.
a) i agree..but there's got to be people like abhijit to call people like mine's bluff
b) Sanjay Dutt fortunately came out and said stop supporting me..smart boy
c) Calcutta = commies and frankly..commies are our next big problem the moment we sort out the fanatics. They pose the biggest danger to the country because they actually have the ability to be logical even if the logic itself is flawed.
@indianmalang: I am still proud of our democra(z)y over some other democracies
@sketchy: you made that sound quite funny :). People seem to think that the only way to protest is to raise a din .. be violent and forget that the other person has a right to his opinion as much as they have. The statue desecration thing is more of a press build up. The job of the media is to present news but is this where they have to start being "responsible" and black out such news? I don't know the answer to that but from what little I know, I would prefer information to no information. But that is how the wheel of karma spins doesn't it...those strong today will be weak tomorrow.
@revealed: We "tax payers" pay it because there is no option for us to evade it and shy away from claiming our rights because there is just too much to lose. That bloody bus is as much mine as the next person's so he has no right to burn it without my permission, but I wonder if someone will go in for a PIL to fix responsibility for such incidents...even if it is symbolic, it might scare one person away
@revealed: both are...problem is..i can delete that comment...and live on..the country can't erase such things
@rs: chill :-) but I guess you came looking for a comic and found something so ridiculous posted..that too in UGLY FONT :)
@saket: Not talking about solutions here..I or anyone I know doesn't have a solution. But I like that thought about riots on Gandhiji's statue being descrated. Would be quite an irony.
@mg: what a name :) thanks ;-) and for taking us away from a rather strong discussion
@TGWB: About Ambedkar: I will only say that someone thinks he is "holy" and our definition of what is holy depends on the level of our faith. So I have nothing to dispute there. What is worthless to one means the world to another...and it is this understanding that leads to tolerance. Unfortunately, intolerance is being dealt with some more intolerance - but it will continue till someone the poison is washed away with more blood. Dr.Ambedkar did what he had to do. Was it right? Maybe not but no one is right all the time..he was a flawed person like many of our so called "leaders". I call him and others "so-called" because True leaders are those who create more leaders and not followers.
About Gandhiji: Weak? No. No way. He had the guts to think and do what no one had thought about. It is true out of the box thinking that worked for a while, worked a little longer because of momentum and when it stopped working, we didn't realise it until now when we have made it a habit of blaming that one man for all our problems. When was the last time we did something really out of the box?
About ideals: I don't have any. I don't think I want to emulate any. I don't think you should try to emulate anyone. But that's what I think. Other times, I post comics.
@anonymous: of course there is politics at play here..but isnt there always?
@sunshine: it's ok..take out a supari on me is what i would say if someone is offended
@mg: Excellent letter there. Excellent.
@revealed: I like Krishna 'coz he was a prankster..and I liked Rama because he had cool chappals that got worshipped :-)
@anonymous: the system has always belonged to the one who showed the will to wield power shamelessly. And I agree with you on one point - if this is what you are trying to say - that a flawed human is much bigger than a mythical god. Problem is when the flawed human is turned into a myth and a god and suddenly I have no one to fall back on...am I getting through here everyone?
@mwresearcher: Politics...that's what it is..but even the sanest of us fails to see it sometimes
@atma: That question can be twisted around for any scenario..let me give you an example:
Q. HOW CAN YOU COUNT ALL BENGALIS WITHOUT SENDING CENSUS OFFICERS DOOR TO DOOR?
A. DROP SAURAV GANGULY FROM THE INDIAN TEAM EVEN WHEN HE DOESN'T PERFORM
Q. HOW CAN YOU COUNT ALL MAHARASHTRIANS WITHOUT SENDING CENSUS OFFICERS DOOR TO DOOR?
A. DROP SACHIN TENDULKAR FROM THE INDIAN TEAM EVEN WHEN HE HASN'T DONE HIS JOB FOR AGES
Q. HOW CAN YOU COUNT ALL TAMILIANS WITHOUT SENDING CENSUS OFFICERS DOOR TO DOOR?
A. aha..this is a tricky one..think...think...there are 2 options
option 1: release a Kamal Hassan and Rajnikant movie on the same day
Option 2: Put up a hoarding in HINDI that says "MADRAS" ;-)
The point being...none of the above except the "Bengali" thing maybe ;-) is true, but that's my idea of a joke that was rightly pointed out to be in bad taste by Abhijit
@shobi: Don't know what they wanted..but one thing they lacked is an ability to understand the impact of what they were doing. That is an undeniable fact.
@omm: Conviction these people did have...but foresight..no...
@mwresearcher: The first I really saw SC/ST was in '89 when V.P Singh dug up Mandal. I don't support reservation but do say that every child should have a right to good education and an equal opportunity in the market place..the only way to ensure that is to build good schools EVERYWHERE.
@rs/sunshine/TGWB: Gattaca?
@indianmalang: Thanks for bringing up that comment by the "global citizen" Gandhigiri was always a fad..to sell a film...only a fool would believe it would work..but maybe..just maybe...we need some fools around us now than the sane ones who burn down deccan queens? It is a fad..yes..but a good one. A useful one. A shortlived one.
@rs: 50 comments wow
@rs: Indians are in the business of denying Gandhiji. And it is definitely cool to deny his influence on what we are today - both positive and negative.
@indianmalang: everyone did their bit. When was the last time you saw great food cooked with just one ingredient? A good mix of ahimsa and himsa got us where we are.
@saket: Anyone with the ability to follow his convictions is not weak..the problem is that some people seem to think his convictions were an easy way out. Maybe true but to not hit back when someone hits might reek of weakness once...but when someone does not respnd many times..either he is incapable of action OR has tremendous restraint. The Gandhi baiters would point to the former.
@manthiram: good question :)
@TGWB: arre dukaan band karwayega kya? :-) Jihadwatch..what a site..gotta read it when I have more time
@TGWB: Every person worth his existence has said stupid things during his lifetime. Someday, someone will quote that tasteless joke I put up about dalits and beat me up with that. He did what he had to do...he didn't have the necessary foresight because people around him did not have the guts to stand up to his ideas when they were wrong. So whose fault is it...PAndit Nehru's who only wanted to be PM according to some or Sardar Patel's who for all his iron man tendencies put the Mahatma ahead of the nation when he had the chance to be the PM of this country of ours and solve every problem that we have today - muslims or dalits? And I agree with rs because over time I have noticed how baiting Gandhi is truly "in" and "cool" because frankly, it is always easy to slap someone you KNOW is not going to slap you back. I could have said "Touche" but this is not a duel :-)
@indianmalang: TCP is about comics and opinions so while rs had a right to hers...TGWB has a right to his...and I was not taking mazaa sitting in the kopcha ok? :-) I want to say let's not get personal but I guess it is not possible to stay away from it when real people and real values are involved. But I must say that let's not ask anyone to go away..Every view is valuable here and let's play together please? :-) Please ? :-)
@shobi: Gandhiji had his moments of insanity like every person that has walked this planet...in one he said that the Brits should let the Nazis walk over them :-) But net net, he did his bit..maybe a little more...some good and some not so..We may question his actions, his methods. I am not sure we can question his intent.
@cloudy: yessssssssssssss thanks for pointing out. welcome new MG :)
@motku: language :-) please. Tu shaant ho re baba..because when you are angry..everything around rumbles and it makes me fumble..ok .. that part i am kidding about. New comic to be posted soon. And my sincerely apologies for the delay
@templetiger: haha ok :-) back to comics. And when I read your comment I felt that all I had to do was write what you did, and I could have answered everyone in one go. Salut.
@TGWB: About motku: woh chamcha nahi hai. And believe me when I say that when he gets down to it, he can leave a lot of people running for cover. So you want to stay away from him. Seriously :-)
About pyaar: Fukat ka senti mat de. No one is a Gandhi here to turn the other cheek.
About indianmalang: I am sure you understand how his opinion about you has changed from one comment to the other :-)
@about me and L1: We realise that you don't want to offend anyone and are only presenting your opinion. I am sure everyone else thinks the same...sometimes though, tempers flare.
@tin tin: yep....aukaat pe aata hoon ab :-) and comic post karta hoon
@icr: arre yaar..been busyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
@rs: Peace with TGWB? I hope the only offence you saw was that TGWB used the wrong gender ;-)
@TGWB: Don't dangle the bait too long :-) I have heard of cases when the fisherman couldn't let go and got eaten by the fish. We all got personal for a bit here. So very soon am gonna shut everyone up with a comic. Why does this remind me of the scene when Phantom bangs the Llongo and Wambesi tribe chiefs heads together to get them to talk?
@TCP: You SERIOUSLY Rock... LOL...
To quote Will, All's well that Ends Well :D. Perfect, TCP :)
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